pappu
06-29 12:45 PM
If anyone is interested in finding what other groups are doing:
Reminder: Today, Friday, June 29, the Coalition for Comprehensive Immigration Reform will be hosting a nationwide conference call at 3:00 PM Eastern time to discuss the implications of yesterday’s Senate vote. If you are calling from a land-line, call 1-888-341-6639. If you are using a cell-phone, please call 1-641-594-7000. The access code for both numbers is 65777554#.
===============
If you find some helpful information, do post on the thread.
Reminder: Today, Friday, June 29, the Coalition for Comprehensive Immigration Reform will be hosting a nationwide conference call at 3:00 PM Eastern time to discuss the implications of yesterday’s Senate vote. If you are calling from a land-line, call 1-888-341-6639. If you are using a cell-phone, please call 1-641-594-7000. The access code for both numbers is 65777554#.
===============
If you find some helpful information, do post on the thread.
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06-25 09:29 PM
My H4 spouse left the country for vacation on May 25 (before h4 expiry)
Attorney filed 7th year ext and I 539 on Jun14.
My 6th year of H1 ended on Jun 17.
The attorney was not reachable by HR or myself. HR calls me today about problem with H4 and the attorney wants to discuss. What the heck ? Do they file I-539 when some one is not in the country ? She and I always maintained proper status. What can be the problem? I am freaking out to get my h1 ext approval asap and bring her back to file 485. Now my head is exploding. Any clues ? I cant bear this suspense.
Attorney filed 7th year ext and I 539 on Jun14.
My 6th year of H1 ended on Jun 17.
The attorney was not reachable by HR or myself. HR calls me today about problem with H4 and the attorney wants to discuss. What the heck ? Do they file I-539 when some one is not in the country ? She and I always maintained proper status. What can be the problem? I am freaking out to get my h1 ext approval asap and bring her back to file 485. Now my head is exploding. Any clues ? I cant bear this suspense.
ramidiskr
01-09 04:19 PM
I am in similar situation,
But my wife will not be having a valid visa while returning and she will not have her AP before leaving US.?
I would mail the AP once it is approved and can she come back with AP?
I would be maintaining my H-1 status all the way through......
Please advise!!!
But my wife will not be having a valid visa while returning and she will not have her AP before leaving US.?
I would mail the AP once it is approved and can she come back with AP?
I would be maintaining my H-1 status all the way through......
Please advise!!!
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485Mbe4001
10-02 07:53 PM
short answer...You are the chosen one you can do what ever you want, while USCIS will do what they think is right...IMHO plenty of legal trouble for you, your company and your lawyer. While you are at it why not ask companies C,D&E to sponsor parallel applications for you, the more the merrier....i think you are a troll...Hardworking, law abiding immigrats get a bad rap because of people like you.
So am still little confused... Should I go this route... The reason is the company who is willing to do my GC is doing also in good faith. But with the economy the way it shapes up... they are not sure, but as a good faith they did agree to start my GC process. Well I will be bearing the lawyer expenses...they would manage the mandatory fees. So they have very little to loose.
What do you guys suggest! I have heard many people who work with company A and GC is done by Company B ... ( Correct me if I am wrong here)
Appreciated
So am still little confused... Should I go this route... The reason is the company who is willing to do my GC is doing also in good faith. But with the economy the way it shapes up... they are not sure, but as a good faith they did agree to start my GC process. Well I will be bearing the lawyer expenses...they would manage the mandatory fees. So they have very little to loose.
What do you guys suggest! I have heard many people who work with company A and GC is done by Company B ... ( Correct me if I am wrong here)
Appreciated
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ASR
07-08 02:51 PM
Hi All,
Give me all your valuable suggestions for the below case:
- Got a full time offer for my wife who is working on H1 and has EAD too.
- She decided to transfer her H1 instead of using EAD.
- My wife has sent all the necessary documentation to the lawyer.
- Mean while, we got I-485 approved. As per lawyer, upon 485 approved, H1b and EAD is no longer valid.
- We have not received I 485 approval notice through mail yet. We just have email from immigration
Our question is on what should be the valuable document that can be shown as eligibility proof to work as we have not received I-485 mail and cards yet.
Another question is: Can we visit local USCIS office for the temporary green card stamp based on the email got from immigration.
Your response is highly appreciated.
Give me all your valuable suggestions for the below case:
- Got a full time offer for my wife who is working on H1 and has EAD too.
- She decided to transfer her H1 instead of using EAD.
- My wife has sent all the necessary documentation to the lawyer.
- Mean while, we got I-485 approved. As per lawyer, upon 485 approved, H1b and EAD is no longer valid.
- We have not received I 485 approval notice through mail yet. We just have email from immigration
Our question is on what should be the valuable document that can be shown as eligibility proof to work as we have not received I-485 mail and cards yet.
Another question is: Can we visit local USCIS office for the temporary green card stamp based on the email got from immigration.
Your response is highly appreciated.
Funky_Monkey
09-10 11:32 PM
Hi, I have a quite strange situation here:
I am from China. I have an approved EB2-NIW I-140 with priority date of 2/2008 and an EB1a 140 petition denied on 8/4/2010.
I filed an I-485 concurrently with my EB1a, along with EAD applications. I got my EAD on 11/2009 and used it to work already.
The strange part is, my I-485 case is still pending, even though my EB1a petition is denied. In fact, I received RFE for quality photos two weeks after my 140 was denied. I think this is a USCIS error because they think my 485 was linked to my EB2-NIW case.
Now, am I staying in the U.S. illegally even though technically my 485 petition is still pending?
Thanks for all you comments.
I am from China. I have an approved EB2-NIW I-140 with priority date of 2/2008 and an EB1a 140 petition denied on 8/4/2010.
I filed an I-485 concurrently with my EB1a, along with EAD applications. I got my EAD on 11/2009 and used it to work already.
The strange part is, my I-485 case is still pending, even though my EB1a petition is denied. In fact, I received RFE for quality photos two weeks after my 140 was denied. I think this is a USCIS error because they think my 485 was linked to my EB2-NIW case.
Now, am I staying in the U.S. illegally even though technically my 485 petition is still pending?
Thanks for all you comments.
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cygent
06-02 06:14 PM
pbojja, you have contradicted yourself. In 1) you say "No need to File for 140";
Then in 3) you say "They approve Faster in a month" - Which does not make sense if you don't file right?
Could you enlighten us? Also, what do you mean by Happy & Unhappy scenario, only one of them as to be the legit way, no?
Happy Scenario
1) Once my EB2 labor gets approved, Do they have to file new I 140 again (OR) can they use the approved I 140 (EB3) to port my PD to EB2 application - No need to File for 140
3) If they have to file I 140 again for EB2...is this I 140 goes through the regular time frames (12months) (OR) since my EB3 140 is already approved my EB2 140 gets approved faster. -- They approve Faster in a month
Then in 3) you say "They approve Faster in a month" - Which does not make sense if you don't file right?
Could you enlighten us? Also, what do you mean by Happy & Unhappy scenario, only one of them as to be the legit way, no?
Happy Scenario
1) Once my EB2 labor gets approved, Do they have to file new I 140 again (OR) can they use the approved I 140 (EB3) to port my PD to EB2 application - No need to File for 140
3) If they have to file I 140 again for EB2...is this I 140 goes through the regular time frames (12months) (OR) since my EB3 140 is already approved my EB2 140 gets approved faster. -- They approve Faster in a month
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monkeyman
08-29 02:05 PM
I checked my bank account today. The checks got encashed.
USCIS issued receipt notice on Aug 27th. Checks were encashed on Aug 28th.
Nothing so far - lawyer says not one check is encashed so far -
USCIS issued receipt notice on Aug 27th. Checks were encashed on Aug 28th.
Nothing so far - lawyer says not one check is encashed so far -
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08-02 08:56 PM
H:confused: ow do you all get around with "there has to be no US citizen that is able or willing to take up the job" thing?
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ssterian01
07-07 04:38 PM
Quickly, this is what I know so far. If you bring your wife here on H4 and then decide to work on EAD you will have to change her to F1 before you stop your H1B.
This is because she will have to be in status to aply for change of status (H4 to F1). Howeve she will be stuck in US after she will be on F1, because no US Emabassy will not stamp her F1 visa in India or elsewhere is you are in US and have applied for GC
So, no problme if she comes on H4, then switches to F1 (while you are still on H1B) and stays on F1 until your dates get current and you add her on your app. After she gets F1 from H4 though, she has to stay in the US
This is because she will have to be in status to aply for change of status (H4 to F1). Howeve she will be stuck in US after she will be on F1, because no US Emabassy will not stamp her F1 visa in India or elsewhere is you are in US and have applied for GC
So, no problme if she comes on H4, then switches to F1 (while you are still on H1B) and stays on F1 until your dates get current and you add her on your app. After she gets F1 from H4 though, she has to stay in the US
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loudoggs
10-31 01:40 PM
Here you go....search for USCIS Application Support Center in google....Unable to find phone number....
https://egov.uscis.gov/crisgwi/go?action=offices.detail&office=XAC&OfficeLocator.office_type=ASC&OfficeLocator.statecode=GA
Street Address
The Application Support Center that serves your area is located in Atlanta, GA.
The address is:
USCIS Application Support Center
1255 Collier Road, Suite 100
Atlanta, GA 30318.
Office Hours and Directions
OFFICE HOURS:
This office provides services to the general public by appointment from 8:00AM to 4:00PM, Tuesday through Saturday.
This office provides services to military personnel from 9:00AM to 3:00PM, Tuesday through Saturday. Military personnel do not need an appointment.
Does anyone know phone no. and office hours for Atlanta Field Office. Thanks
https://egov.uscis.gov/crisgwi/go?action=offices.detail&office=XAC&OfficeLocator.office_type=ASC&OfficeLocator.statecode=GA
Street Address
The Application Support Center that serves your area is located in Atlanta, GA.
The address is:
USCIS Application Support Center
1255 Collier Road, Suite 100
Atlanta, GA 30318.
Office Hours and Directions
OFFICE HOURS:
This office provides services to the general public by appointment from 8:00AM to 4:00PM, Tuesday through Saturday.
This office provides services to military personnel from 9:00AM to 3:00PM, Tuesday through Saturday. Military personnel do not need an appointment.
Does anyone know phone no. and office hours for Atlanta Field Office. Thanks
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madan
01-11 12:13 PM
Thanks So much for the Answers.
Can you please answer one more Question?
I m not updating the INS regarding the Divorce, when my new wife attaends the H4, she would show the Divorce and Remarried certficate to the Consulate is that good enough so that they would take care of evrything?
Thank you again
Can you please answer one more Question?
I m not updating the INS regarding the Divorce, when my new wife attaends the H4, she would show the Divorce and Remarried certficate to the Consulate is that good enough so that they would take care of evrything?
Thank you again
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12-18 06:40 PM
Immigrantion Restrictionist/Racists have been calling Congresional offices and pounding the privelege of their One vote each, so they can be spared of foreign competition even though US competitiveness goes down the drain. I guess each one to himself. Here are some of the more interesting conversations...
==
Senator Kyl:
Q. What is Senator Kyl's position to be on Cornyn's "dark of the night"
attempt to ramrod an H-1B increase?
A. Are you calling on behalf of any organization?
A. Yes, the org's name is Sandra. I only have one vote and no campaign
donations.
"Very low likelihood of this passing, and in the future Senator Kyl will
take into careful consideration such meansures."
A. You haven't answered my question. Kyl has been a consistent supporter
of H-1Bs
A. Senator hasn't made a decision and is still considering.
Q. How did the Senator vote on the H1-C two days ago?
A. I'm not finding a record.
Q. It was HR1285--on December 5.
A. Oh, that was a unanimous voice vote.
Q. So does that mean Senator Kyl voted for it?
A. I can check, just a moment........it was a unanimous voice vote
================================================== ========
Senator McCain:
Q What is McCain's position on Cornyn's "dark of the night" attempt to
ramrod an H-1B increase?
A. He hasn't yet taken a position.
================================================== ========
Senator Grassley (Casey Mills)
Asked for Casey but aide couldn't find him
Q. Does Grassley support H1-B increases?
A He doesn't know.
I gave him a rundown as if I were Debbie--nursing shortage is artificially
created. Grassley probably voted for H1-C, etc.
I retrained for a job after 20 years to go into nursing, and now find wages
are kept low by foreign nurses.
A. He'll pass concerns along.
================================================== ==============
Senator Dorgan
Express thanks to Senator Dorgan for opposing H1-Bs.
================================================== =================
Sandra
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
I called Cornyn's office just now - male staffer got really annoyed when I
asked him if Senator Coryn supports displacing well-educated American
workers with Foreign H-1B Visa holders. He immediately passed me off to a
voice mail box of a staffer who handles immigration matters. (Yes, I know
H-1B's are so-called "non-immigrant Visas" but we all know most of these
people end up staying here -)
Of course the staffer did not pick up his phone - but the staffer's name is
Landon Bell. Why not ring up Senator Corn-Hole's office and ask for Landon
Bell, and ring Landon's bell a bit?
Gerard
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
I called Cornyn's office just now - stated my opposition of course. The
person I spoke with said that Cornyn was trying to get his bill introduced
today, and he was not sure if it would be voted on today.
Hopefully Cornyn fails. I think he is getting our message, but I also
think he does not care.
Roy
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
Maybe you all have different information that I just obtained from both
Senator Pete Domenici's office (Republican) and Senator Jeff Bingaman's
office (Democrat) -- both of New Mexico. But both of their offices claim
that Skil Bill "Access to High Skilled Foreign Workers" S 2691 has NOT left
committee yet and thus cannot be voted on yet. (It is certainly possible
that you all have different or better information than was conveyed to me
but this is what I obtained.)
Domenici's office staff person couldn't tell me which side of the fence he
was on as he hasn't "made a press release" yet. And, as long as it is in
committee he apparently doesn't voice an opinion.
Senator Bingaman's office staff also told me that he had not expressed an
opinion to him on his position on the bill. The young, female staff woman
who answered the DC phone seemed STUNNED when she pulled up the bill and
started to read parts of it. She thought they'd have to take some kind of
special test to get into the USA for these jobs -- no. I only wish she
were casting a vote as I know how she'd vote! Again, she told me that
the bill was not out of committee YET and the Senators are going home
tomorrow afternoon. They are doing "yesterday morning's" work tonight or
some such backward thinking. There has been no floor debate on the bill so
the staff claimed would mean there will NOT be a vote on the bill tonight.
No one would guarantee me that NO voting would take place tomorrow but did
say it was UNlikely.
Finally, when I got to the staff woman in DC she was a bit surprised
because someone had called her on the bill from one of the Senator's New
Mexico offices. (A bit strange unless it was my calling the Senator's 800
number which connected me some place in New Mexico and they called the DC
office for information regarding my inquiry.)
(BE careful when you call, however, one Bingaman's staff males that I
spoke with tried to give me the WRONG Senate Bill number reference. He
asked "This is Senate Bill 2626?" I said "The one I am calling on is
"Senate Bill 2691 "Access to High Skilled Foreign Workers" so unless the
bill has been reassigned a number that I don't know about -- I am calling
on the Skil Bill "Access to High Skilled Foreign Workers.")
Oh, yeah! the woman from Bingaman's office said "Oh, THAT's a
Republican sponsored bill!"
Cynthia
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
I, too, phoned Cornyn's office and the person I spoke with kept insisting
that the H-1B's had to be paid the same as Americans and then he said the
senator wants to make America more competitive by bringing in skilled
workers. I directed him to Norm's article in the San Francisco paper and to
the Programmers Guild. I asked him how it would make our nation more
competetive to bring in a worldwide supply of cheaper labor to take our
jobs. Silence.
LC Evans
http://lcevans.com
Jobless Recovery
A satirical novel about American job losses
==
Senator Kyl:
Q. What is Senator Kyl's position to be on Cornyn's "dark of the night"
attempt to ramrod an H-1B increase?
A. Are you calling on behalf of any organization?
A. Yes, the org's name is Sandra. I only have one vote and no campaign
donations.
"Very low likelihood of this passing, and in the future Senator Kyl will
take into careful consideration such meansures."
A. You haven't answered my question. Kyl has been a consistent supporter
of H-1Bs
A. Senator hasn't made a decision and is still considering.
Q. How did the Senator vote on the H1-C two days ago?
A. I'm not finding a record.
Q. It was HR1285--on December 5.
A. Oh, that was a unanimous voice vote.
Q. So does that mean Senator Kyl voted for it?
A. I can check, just a moment........it was a unanimous voice vote
================================================== ========
Senator McCain:
Q What is McCain's position on Cornyn's "dark of the night" attempt to
ramrod an H-1B increase?
A. He hasn't yet taken a position.
================================================== ========
Senator Grassley (Casey Mills)
Asked for Casey but aide couldn't find him
Q. Does Grassley support H1-B increases?
A He doesn't know.
I gave him a rundown as if I were Debbie--nursing shortage is artificially
created. Grassley probably voted for H1-C, etc.
I retrained for a job after 20 years to go into nursing, and now find wages
are kept low by foreign nurses.
A. He'll pass concerns along.
================================================== ==============
Senator Dorgan
Express thanks to Senator Dorgan for opposing H1-Bs.
================================================== =================
Sandra
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
I called Cornyn's office just now - male staffer got really annoyed when I
asked him if Senator Coryn supports displacing well-educated American
workers with Foreign H-1B Visa holders. He immediately passed me off to a
voice mail box of a staffer who handles immigration matters. (Yes, I know
H-1B's are so-called "non-immigrant Visas" but we all know most of these
people end up staying here -)
Of course the staffer did not pick up his phone - but the staffer's name is
Landon Bell. Why not ring up Senator Corn-Hole's office and ask for Landon
Bell, and ring Landon's bell a bit?
Gerard
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
I called Cornyn's office just now - stated my opposition of course. The
person I spoke with said that Cornyn was trying to get his bill introduced
today, and he was not sure if it would be voted on today.
Hopefully Cornyn fails. I think he is getting our message, but I also
think he does not care.
Roy
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
Maybe you all have different information that I just obtained from both
Senator Pete Domenici's office (Republican) and Senator Jeff Bingaman's
office (Democrat) -- both of New Mexico. But both of their offices claim
that Skil Bill "Access to High Skilled Foreign Workers" S 2691 has NOT left
committee yet and thus cannot be voted on yet. (It is certainly possible
that you all have different or better information than was conveyed to me
but this is what I obtained.)
Domenici's office staff person couldn't tell me which side of the fence he
was on as he hasn't "made a press release" yet. And, as long as it is in
committee he apparently doesn't voice an opinion.
Senator Bingaman's office staff also told me that he had not expressed an
opinion to him on his position on the bill. The young, female staff woman
who answered the DC phone seemed STUNNED when she pulled up the bill and
started to read parts of it. She thought they'd have to take some kind of
special test to get into the USA for these jobs -- no. I only wish she
were casting a vote as I know how she'd vote! Again, she told me that
the bill was not out of committee YET and the Senators are going home
tomorrow afternoon. They are doing "yesterday morning's" work tonight or
some such backward thinking. There has been no floor debate on the bill so
the staff claimed would mean there will NOT be a vote on the bill tonight.
No one would guarantee me that NO voting would take place tomorrow but did
say it was UNlikely.
Finally, when I got to the staff woman in DC she was a bit surprised
because someone had called her on the bill from one of the Senator's New
Mexico offices. (A bit strange unless it was my calling the Senator's 800
number which connected me some place in New Mexico and they called the DC
office for information regarding my inquiry.)
(BE careful when you call, however, one Bingaman's staff males that I
spoke with tried to give me the WRONG Senate Bill number reference. He
asked "This is Senate Bill 2626?" I said "The one I am calling on is
"Senate Bill 2691 "Access to High Skilled Foreign Workers" so unless the
bill has been reassigned a number that I don't know about -- I am calling
on the Skil Bill "Access to High Skilled Foreign Workers.")
Oh, yeah! the woman from Bingaman's office said "Oh, THAT's a
Republican sponsored bill!"
Cynthia
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +
I, too, phoned Cornyn's office and the person I spoke with kept insisting
that the H-1B's had to be paid the same as Americans and then he said the
senator wants to make America more competitive by bringing in skilled
workers. I directed him to Norm's article in the San Francisco paper and to
the Programmers Guild. I asked him how it would make our nation more
competetive to bring in a worldwide supply of cheaper labor to take our
jobs. Silence.
LC Evans
http://lcevans.com
Jobless Recovery
A satirical novel about American job losses
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02-03 02:24 PM
Abbe fairyangel ,
Who the hell are you to tell to leave and all..Remeber one or the other day we have to go thru bad time. Nothing is secured in this country...For a matter of fact you may as well loose your job, andif you dont get a job in the next 180 days will you leave ?..And the answer is NO.
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Stop blady shit...and concentrate on yor work....mental Ididiot
Niceguy
Mr.Matt krusse...how many ids you create SOB. Why dont you concentrate on your work if you have one....
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08-04 09:21 AM
from immigration-law.com
The period of 14 months may be a long time for the immigrants but a short time for the agency to eliminate tons of complicated labor certification applications.
Well. We have been waiting for so long that every day is a torture. 14 months IS a LOOOONG time on top of it. what have they been doing beforet this 14 months?
The period of 14 months may be a long time for the immigrants but a short time for the agency to eliminate tons of complicated labor certification applications.
Well. We have been waiting for so long that every day is a torture. 14 months IS a LOOOONG time on top of it. what have they been doing beforet this 14 months?
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chanduv23
06-18 02:24 PM
I received the very heartbreaking news that my EB3 PERM application filed OCT 2007 (with audit) was denied. Audit was requesting a copy of the Newspaper AD which the lawyer sent last NOV 2007. Reson for denial was because the copy that the DOL recieved was not clear and some words as part of the Newspaper name was missing.... An appeal will be filed soon.
Any suggestions from the gurus?
I have bachelors with more than 5 years of experience, is it adviseable to file new PERM under EB2 category?
For people who filed motion for an appeal, could you please post your feedbacks/experiences?
Appeal or motion is specific to USCIS - not sure how this is done with DOL. Try asking in lawyer section
Any suggestions from the gurus?
I have bachelors with more than 5 years of experience, is it adviseable to file new PERM under EB2 category?
For people who filed motion for an appeal, could you please post your feedbacks/experiences?
Appeal or motion is specific to USCIS - not sure how this is done with DOL. Try asking in lawyer section
sj2273
05-18 01:33 PM
Try Rajaguru Nalliah in Michigan. I hope that helps.
sb0k
11-08 07:46 AM
hi..u forgot to add this
http://www.kirupa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=338382 & http://www.kirupa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=338381
http://www.kirupa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=338382 & http://www.kirupa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=338381
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